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====== Victron & BYD ====== | ====== Victron & BYD ====== | ||
- | ^ Battery ^ Pro 2.5-10.0 ^ Pro 12.8 & 13.8 ^ L 3.5-14.0 ^ Premium LVL 15.4 ^ Premium LVS 4.0 ^ | + | ^ Battery ^ Pro 2.5-10.0 ^ Pro 12.8 & 13.8 ^ L 3.5-14.0 ^ Premium LVL 15.4 ^ Premium LVS 4.0 ^ LV Flex 5 ^ |
- | | Appearance | {{ : | + | | Appearance | {{ : |
- | | ESS | yes| yes| yes| yes| yes| | + | | ESS | yes| yes| yes| yes| yes| yes| |
- | | Grid Backup| | + | | Grid Backup| |
- | | Off-Grid| | + | | Off-Grid| |
- | | Module capacity| | + | | Module capacity| |
- | | Module limit | 32| 32| 12| 64| 64| | + | | Module limit | 32| 32| 12| 64| 64| 64| |
- | | Max capacity| | + | | Max capacity| |
===== 1. Product & System compatibility ===== | ===== 1. Product & System compatibility ===== | ||
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* Off-grid | * Off-grid | ||
- | Note that for Off-grid systems, its strongly recommend to make sure there is a minimum of DC-Coupled PV (= MPPT Solar Charger) in the system. Ie. not only AC-Coupled PV. Also, minimum battery configuration, | + | __Special note for Off-Grid systems__ |
- | === 1.2 A GX device is required, eg Cerbo GX, Color Control GX (CCGX), Venus GX (VGX), etc === | + | For Off-grid systems, its strongly recommend to make sure there is a minimum of DC-Coupled PV (= MPPT Solar Charger) in the system. Ie. not only AC-Coupled PV. Also, minimum battery configuration, and factor 1.0 are always important to adhere to, and even more so in case of Off-grid systems. Both BYD and Victron will be reluctant or even refusing to give support to systems that are not sized according to the minimum battery configuration table. |
- | It is essential to use the BMS-Can (or CAN-bus) connection of a [[venus-os: | + | === 1.2 A GX device is required, eg Cerbo GX, etc === |
+ | |||
+ | It is essential to use the BMS-Can (or CAN-bus) connection of a [[venus-os: | ||
When used with B-Box Pro series batteries, the minimum supported firmware version for the [[venus-os: | When used with B-Box Pro series batteries, the minimum supported firmware version for the [[venus-os: | ||
- | === 1.3 All 48V Multis, MultiPlusses, | + | === 1.3 All 48V Multis, MultiPlusses, |
The minimum supported firmware version is 469. Updating to the latest firmware is recommended for new installations, | The minimum supported firmware version is 469. Updating to the latest firmware is recommended for new installations, | ||
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| B-BOX Premium LVL 15.4 | | | B-BOX Premium LVL 15.4 | | ||
| B-BOX Premium LVS 4.0 | | | B-BOX Premium LVS 4.0 | | ||
+ | | B-BOX LV Flex 5.0 | | ||
BYD also releases firmware update for their BMU and BMS. | BYD also releases firmware update for their BMU and BMS. | ||
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|Phases| | |Phases| | ||
| Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
- | | Multiplus 48/ | + | | Multiplus |
- | | Multiplus 48/ | + | | Multiplus |
+ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
- | | EasySolar 48/ | + | | EasySolar |
- | | EasySolar 48/ | + | | EasySolar 48/ |
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|Phases| | |Phases| | ||
| Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
- | | Multiplus 48/ | + | | Multiplus |
- | | Multiplus 48/ | + | | Multiplus |
+ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
- | | EasySolar 48/ | + | | EasySolar |
| EasySolar 48/ | | EasySolar 48/ | ||
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|Phases| | |Phases| | ||
| Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
- | | Multiplus 48/ | + | | Multiplus |
- | | Multiplus 48/ | + | | Multiplus |
+ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
- | | EasySolar 48/ | + | | EasySolar |
| EasySolar 48/ | | EasySolar 48/ | ||
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|Phases| | |Phases| | ||
| Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
- | | Multiplus 48/ | + | | Multiplus |
- | | Multiplus 48/ | + | | Multiplus |
+ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
- | | EasySolar 48/ | + | | EasySolar |
| EasySolar 48/ | | EasySolar 48/ | ||
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|Phases| | |Phases| | ||
| Inverter/ | | Inverter/ | ||
- | | | + | | |
- | | | + | | Multiplus |
+ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
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| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
| Quattro 48/ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
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* Note for 7 units two stacks are required. One stack is 4 battery modules, the other is 3. | * Note for 7 units two stacks are required. One stack is 4 battery modules, the other is 3. | ||
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+ | === Battery Modules Required - Premium LV Flex 5.0 === | ||
+ | |||
+ | |Phases| | ||
+ | | Inverter/ | ||
+ | | Multiplus 48/500 & 48/ | ||
+ | | Multiplus 48/1200 & 48/ | ||
+ | | Multiplus 48/ | ||
+ | | Multiplus & Multiplus II & MP-II GX 48/ | ||
+ | | Multiplus & Multiplus II & MP-II GX 48/ | ||
+ | | Inverter RS & Multi RS 48/ | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
+ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
+ | | Quattro 48/ | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | | | ||
+ | |||
**" | **" | ||
The specification for these minimum battery sizes was obtained from [[http:// | The specification for these minimum battery sizes was obtained from [[http:// | ||
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===== 3. CAN-Bus wiring between the battery and GX Device ===== | ===== 3. CAN-Bus wiring between the battery and GX Device ===== | ||
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| Charge curve | Fixed | | Charge curve | Fixed | ||
| Absorption voltage | | Absorption voltage | ||
- | | Float voltage | + | | Absorption voltage off-grid systems |
+ | | Float voltage | ||
| Absorption time | 1 Hr | | | Absorption time | 1 Hr | | ||
- | Note: make sure to double check the float voltage after completing Assistants, and if necessary set it back to 55 V. | + | Notes: |
+ | |||
+ | - make sure to double check the float voltage after completing Assistants, and if necessary set it back to 55 V. | ||
+ | - Setting the Absorption voltage for off-grid systems to 56.5V is to ensure the PV Inverter Assistant works properly. Setting this voltage to 56.5V, ie a bit higher than the default 55.2V, prevents the Frequency shift algorithm to lock at 52.7 or 53 Hz, and thereby disabling AC-Coupled PV Inverters. The setting has no effect on the actual charge voltage as used by the inverter and other components in the system, since these are directed directly by the battery via DVCC. | ||
=== 4.3 Inverter Settings === | === 4.3 Inverter Settings === | ||
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- | * Select the //CAN-bus BMS (500 kbit/s)// CAN-profile in the CCGX. Menu path: //Settings -> Services -> CAN-profile// | + | * Select the //CAN-bus BMS (500 kbit/s)// CAN-profile in the GX device. Menu path: //Settings -> Services -> CAN-profile// |
* After properly wiring and setting up, the B-Box will be visible as a battery in the device list: | * After properly wiring and setting up, the B-Box will be visible as a battery in the device list: | ||
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Note these limits have been adjusted higher by BYD during firmware updates, so the charge and discharge current limit figure may appear slightly higher. | Note these limits have been adjusted higher by BYD during firmware updates, so the charge and discharge current limit figure may appear slightly higher. | ||
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- | === Color Control GX Configuration === | ||
- | | ||
- | The CCGX only has one available VE.Can interface. It is not possible to connect both CAN products such as VE.Can MPPT (250 kbit/s) and an B-Box battery BMS-Can CAN-bus (500 kbit/s) together on the CCGX. As the BYD Battery MUST be connected, you will need to use the port for that. This will mean no data is collected from the VE.Can MPPT, nor can the CCGX control it. This means you are required to use the "Allow to Charge" | ||
=== GX Device with multiple CAN-bus port configuration === | === GX Device with multiple CAN-bus port configuration === | ||
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The CAN-bus connections are galvanically isolated at the BYD BMU. There is no issues using the non-isolated connection of the VGX. | The CAN-bus connections are galvanically isolated at the BYD BMU. There is no issues using the non-isolated connection of the VGX. | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Color Control GX Configuration - Not Recommended === | ||
+ | | ||
+ | The CCGX only has one available VE.Can interface. It is not possible to connect both CAN products such as VE.Can MPPT (250 kbit/s) and an B-Box battery BMS-Can CAN-bus (500 kbit/s) together on the CCGX. As the BYD Battery MUST be connected, you will need to use the port for that. This will mean no data is collected from the VE.Can MPPT, nor can the CCGX control it. This means you are required to use the "Allow to Charge" | ||
+ | |||
+ | For this reason it is recommended to use the Cerbo GX instead. | ||
===== 6. Solar Charging ===== | ===== 6. Solar Charging ===== | ||
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In a correctly configured system, the inverter will shut itself down before the batteries enter a self protective shut down state. | In a correctly configured system, the inverter will shut itself down before the batteries enter a self protective shut down state. | ||
- | If your system is charged only with an AC-coupled PV inverter, this may prevent the AC-coupled PV inverter from starting up to recharge the batteries. Therefore it is strongly recommended that there is also either a generator or DC MPPT charge controller to provide DC bus power to bring the inverter back online to allow normal recharging to resume. | + | Therefore it is essential that there is also either a generator or DC MPPT charge controller for overall system stability. |
- | Even a single 100/20 48V MPPT charger unit with 2 x 60 cell solar panels would be sufficient to add this self correcting mechanism able to maintain the DC bus voltage and improve longterm system reliability considerably from accidental deep discharge and subsequent shut down. | + | Even a single 100/20 48V MPPT charger unit with 2 x 60 cell solar panels would be sufficient to add this self correcting mechanism able to maintain the DC bus voltage and improve longterm system reliability considerably from accidental deep discharge and subsequent shut down. |
===== 7. Example Wiring Diagram ===== | ===== 7. Example Wiring Diagram ===== | ||
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=== Step 0. If the Inverter/ | === Step 0. If the Inverter/ | ||
- | As a safety precaution, the inverter/ | + | When the grid is connected there are two software controls to sustain voltage. The Minimum SOC (while grid is connected) set in the GX device, and the sustain voltage (set in the ESS assistant). |
+ | |||
+ | If the grid fails and no AC supply is available, in this deeply discharged state, and the battery has set the Discharge Current Limit (DCL) to 0A, then the inverter will turn off in a software off state. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The GX device | ||
+ | Note in this state an AC PV inverter will not produce any power, and will not start up, as it requires the inverter to create the sine wave to synchronise. | ||
+ | |||
+ | If the AC grid or generator, or DC MPPT is connected, then the battery will begin to charge and then the inverter will start itself again automatically, | ||
+ | If instead | ||
+ | |||
+ | If you then reconnect a DC charge source, or AC input supply (grid or generator), after approximately 2 minutes | ||
- | You can then start the inverter/ | ||
=== Step 1. Check that the BYD battery is visible on the GX device list === | === Step 1. Check that the BYD battery is visible on the GX device list === | ||
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[[https:// | [[https:// | ||
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+ | ==== Introduction to the new BYD Flex 5.0 ==== | ||
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+ | BYD recorded a webinar introducing their Flex 5.0 battery - it is available to watch here - https:// | ||
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+ | Victron presented more information that was specific to our integration as part of that webinar - available here - https:// | ||
==== User contributed installation guide ==== | ==== User contributed installation guide ==== |
battery_compatibility/byd_b-box.txt · Last modified: 2024-01-22 07:32 by guy_stewart